Would 342° in a mars Pluto phasal relationship be considered balsamic/conjunction or balsamic/semi-sextile.. or neither and just simply balsamic?

I watched Amadeus last night and was struck by how vividly it illustrated the archetypes of Pluto in Leo and Pluto in Virgo. I keep thinking about the natural zodiac and using it to find out why each sign is the way it is. Mozart seemed to embody Leo — unapologetically creating from the heart, expressing life without restraint or question. Salieri, on the other hand, reflected Virgo — having that past Leo ego or love of something and even some talent but becomes bitter when he’s outshined or can’t create the life  he wants, and a sense of being punished by God (negative of the Pisces polarity) What really resonated for me was how crisis functions within the Virgo archetype. In moments of crisis, we’re often shown who we are and who we are not. Salieri’s tragedy, to me, was that he could not accept this truth. He could have recognized that he was not Mozart (humbled his ego and accepted/pisces), and instead devoted himself to serving the music of God through supporting Mozart. That would have been Virgo at its highest: humility, gratitude, and service. Instead, he defined himself through envy, which distorted his relationship to the divine. This seems to be the 3h 9h square to Virgo. Could this mean giving negative definitions or meaning to the phenomenal world and carrying negative perceptions and beliefs from it? This made me reflect on my own Virgo lessons. I see how easy it is for the Virgo mind to give negative meaning to experiences that don’t align with one’s ideals — creating belief systems around “not enough” or “less than.” And yet, the way forward always seems to be surrender and acceptance, which I recognize as the Pisces polarity. True Virgo service is not manipulation or self-criticism, but humility and discernment aligned with something larger than oneself. It seems through crisis I realize who I am and who I am not. Is this the crisis of the 1h inconjunct? Through experience (aries)? It also teaches me to have faith somehow. Maybe the crisis creates objectivity (11h inconjunct) ? It takes crisis to shake the leonine focus (evolution from 5h to 6h) Also to look around for signs of the divine (synchronicity in Pisces) but maybe Virgo misconstrues everything (negative manifestation of 3/9) cause they can’t do what they want (Capricorn on the 5th!) How funny that Capricorn is on the 5h and Leo is in 12h (a veil or hidden or unconscious) I always wondered why 6h said enemies in other books. I think it can lead to enemies because of the envy and negative mindset that could happen. I’m curious how others see this Virgo natural zodiac or if you could add to it or if you can see the archetypes in the movie? Am I going in the right direction of understanding the natural zodiac? :)

I just recently heard someone say that depression is actually a compression.. to go inside I just loved this because Saturn is very restrictive and “compressing” but its purpose is to self reflect as JWG said. So to go inside.. polarity to cancer 4H moon Would you say this is accurate?

I’ve been getting stuck on the very first step of the paradigm. In the beginning of the Pluto book it feels like JWG is saying that wherever Pluto is in the chart is what our evolutionary intent was (what we were evolving towards) so example Pluto in the 9th was working toward right brain thinking, truth, their place in the world, forming beliefs. . Due to this they have developed a deep inner security towards their beliefs and their truths but these beliefs are limited. It seems to say that in order to expand these beliefs and see their limitations, we must look to the polarity, in this case 3rd house. But in the end of the the book just after Pluto in Neptune, it felt like JWG said that we come into this life with the security of where Pluto is but in this life our evolutionary intent is its polarity. It’s a subtle difference but I keep getting stuck. Do we need to heal how we are doing Pluto’s house through its polarity or should we realign our focus towards the polarity. Or do we use the gifts we learned in the Pluto house in order to constantly aim for its polarity? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

In the Pluto in cancer section of Pluto vol 1, it gives a multitude of possibilities of how this placement could manifest. How does one do a chart interpretation for an individual with Pluto in cancer/4H? Meaning how would the dialogue go if you don’t know how aware the individual is of their emotional nature. I think the mars Pluto phasal relationship could help .. How can we narrow it down? Or do we go through all the possibilities until they say “that one!” I guess the moon and cancer and the nodes could tell us the degree of manifestations of emotions .. would this be enough to tell us at which point in evolution they are (which possibility listed in the Pluto book)? Thanks for your help:)

I’m rereading the Pluto and Cancer section of the Pluto book, and it says that the conflict can be reduced depending on how many times the individual has come into this life in that gender. Could the amount of times be verified the placement of mars and Pluto? (The further away the more lives have been lived in this lesson) Thanks so much:)

Hi, I just read recently JWG saying that when transiting Pluto crosses the first house cusp there is a death of the personality and the person begins to act very differently (not exact words sorry) Could this happen over each cardinal cusp? Or any cusp in general? I noticed this in someone I knew but Pluto was in the middle of the first house in an intercepted sign. Could this still be due to the same thing? Could anyone elaborate on this very interesting subject? Thanks so much

I read about 8th house Scorpio Pluto as a realization of forces that are bigger than us. Could this 8th house also be considered a merger with these forces in a way where you don’t lose yourself? Coming in through the 2nd house polarity (self worth) and water trinity of inner security.. This really resonates for me and I’m wondering if it’s accurate. My mars is there and I have always felt overpowering forces. And I’m now trying to find a way to ride the wave for lack of better wording. But this new perception makes sense and feels less overpowering and I’m wondering what your thoughts are

I am having trouble seeing the resistance clearly. Is there a way to find it in the chart? I’m assuming that anything symbolizing my past is a place where I can find the comfort that I go to and therefore resist evolution. Among many things, I am currently feeling how incredibly powerful the transiting nodes are. It’s been a huge learning curve. Transiting SN is in Virgo, my asc, and NN Pisces, my sun. I’m trying hard to stay open and push myself out of my comfort zones but I’m having trouble seeing them clearly. I’m thinking I should look to Virgo, Mercury and the 6th house (transiting and natal) to see what the resistance could be? And look to the polarity for tools to help me move forward? Oh and probably the moon to see where I’m at in my emotional/self image journey. Any guidance would be very appreciated 😅 Thanks always for taking the time to answer my questions, it’s been helping me a lot

I have a question about an observation I had with Pluto in the 9th house. I keep hearing and reading about the ninth house being more about philosophy religion and belief systems.. which really works for me when I’m looking at transits but the Pluto in 9th people (and maybe this is because they’re all Pluto in libra people) don’t seem to have anything of note in these areas. However recently I went through the course again and I realized that a big part of the 9th house is about using the forces we learned about in the 8th house. I’ve noticed that all of these people are big into money power and status, and they are figuring out how the system works and use it to succeed. I always related money power and status in society with Capricorn (10h) and in the evolutionary natural chart 9h comes before 10h so I would think it would be more philosophical. Thinking about their place in society rather than being it. A struggle. I read 9H being more about thinking about their place in the cosmos. is 10h when someone has truly made it? Also I’ve noticed a lot of successful spiritual leaders/guides have their Plutos in the 9H so I associated it more with belief systems. But that never made sense for observations of actual people around me. But this “using of the forces” in terms of status really does fit. It’s a mutable house inthe quadrant of learning about the other (7H), and learning to merge with other forces (especially financially 8H, commitments etc) so it makes sense that naturally at the 9h point they would use these tools to adapt to society by figuring out what is deemed a success (successful adaptation). Fire yang mutable in a house of right brain thinking. So seeing the big picture and learning how to adapt to it. Has anyone else had this observation? could anyone help me make more sense of it? Thanks so much !

I think, for me, cancer 4H moon is one of the archetypes that is the deepest and hardest to understand. I have a few questions and I would love to hear your thoughts. As far as I understand it, it’s the projector portion of the projector and not the lens. The lens feels like it would be 7H (persona), 1H (instinctive self) and 10H (public personality?) It is the emotional center. And fittingly it’s situated at the ic which to me sounds like it’s the core of our human self. Trine to the soul (8H) and i guess Pisces too (higher self??) And since it’s square to 7H 1H and opposite 10H it implies a tension with our relationship to the phenomenal world. Since it’s inconjunct 9H I feel like maybe this is where it gets interesting and our core beliefs create a friction or maybe ego (subjective i) has friction with our beliefs. Why is it that i can feel my ego coming out when someone does something that goes against my beliefs? Mine feels stubborn. Could be cause my moon is in Taurus 9H. I’m trying to separate myself from the equation. Maybe a cancer moon would feel this more emotionally? But how does this ego seem to project its stubbornness if it’s only a projector without a lens? Is it because the ego (cancer archetype) projects through the above lenses (1,7,10)? Can we say that all of our physical world personality manifestations stem from ego/cancer? When you can feel someone’s ego (negative sense), is it a mixture of a negative manifestation of cancer/4h/moon ? Would positive ego be called an alignment? An alignment with our inner self as they say? Can we find if we have a negative or positive self image through the natural zodiac affecting our natal 4H moon cancer placements as well as the aspects? Would anyone have anything to add to help me understand the complexity of the image we have of ourselves/ego/emotional center?

I’m redoing the course again and I’m on cancer/4H/moon and wow, is it ever deep. I got stuck on the difference between feelings and emotions, I’m not very confident that I know the difference. I tried to look it up on the old forum and I happened upon this amazing thread on emotions and eastern religions. https://forum.schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/index.php?topic=820.0 I’m also stuck on the difference between soul and spirit. It was said in the course that feelings are more libra, I can’t seem to make that make sense. Is this due to the natural zodiac and the square of cancer? From the descriptions, it seems that they are instinctive, which makes them more Aries. Is it because of these two aspects? sorry these questions are a bit messy but here they are • What is the difference between feelings and emotions? • What is the difference between spirit and soul? Thanks so much for your help, I’m really loving this course. It’s helping me so much

Venus and Mercury are traditionally considered “positive” planets — Venus associated with inner and outer relationships, balance, harmony; Mercury with curiosity and data collection. But when you really look at their rulerships, they each carry inherent archetypal tension: • Venus rules both Taurus and Libra, which are quincunx (150°) by sign. Taurus is about self-reliance and internal value; Libra is about attunement to others and external harmony. These signs don’t share element, modality, or polarity. So Venus herself contains a built-in dissonance between self-containment and relational balancing. • Mercury rules both Gemini and Virgo, which are square (90°) to each other. Gemini gathers information freely and stays open-ended; Virgo wants to self analyze and apply order . So Mercury also carries an internal square between modes of thinking. Given this, I’m wondering: • Why are Venus and Mercury so often described as “positive” when they carry this tension of a quincunx and a square naturally • Should we instead be viewing these planets as reflectors or activators of these tensions — and their transits as opportunities to integrate the contradiction rather than expect them to feel “easy”? • And could the reason a Venus or Mercury transit feels “negative” sometimes be because that internal archetypal tension is being highlighted — especially if the transit is in a difficult house/sign or forms hard aspects? • Would it make sense to start looking at what a healed quincunx or healed square looks like, rather than expect Venus and Mercury to always express harmoniously? I’m curious how others here see this — especially from an evolutionary lens. Thank you in advance!

Hi would someone be able to find the link to an old forum post with an article of JWG talking about the Neptune square Neptune I thought I had saved it but now I can’t find it Thank you

I hit a roadblock in my understanding and I’m wondering if I got confused somewhere. In evolutionary astrology, we are born as our South Node and Pluto and evolve into the rest of our chart through conditioning and life experiences. If that’s true, then in early childhood, should a child’s willpower, instinctual drive, and action (Mars) be expressed in the archetype of their South Node/Pluto, or the sign Mars is in? For example, if a child has: • Pluto & South Node in Capricorn in the 8th house • Mars in Leo Would their early expressions of will, frustration, and drive be more Capricorn/Scorpio-like (controlled, intense, survival-driven, responsible)? Or would they already show signs of Leo (playful, dramatic, confident)? If Mars represents willpower and drive, but we are born as our South Node & Pluto, does this mean Mars would initially be filtered through the South Node/Pluto archetype before developing into the sign it’s in?

I tried to find some sources online for this forum and the old forum, but I couldn’t find. I’m still doing research on a chart interpretation and in Dave Green’s tutorial on YouTube and talked about the water Trinity and the progression and emotional security from outside to inside giving examples of what that looks like for cancer Scorpio and Pisces individually. Would someone be able to give me the same type of explanation for fire trinity air trinity and earth trinity? From what I can remember, earth was about succeeding in civilization . From personal resources to finding right work to serve others and therefore civilization. But fire and air I couldn’t find.

I was reading the threads given about my question regarding Saturn and the moon and ego. As far as I can understand, the moon is the lens chosen by the soul to reflect itself (scale: ocean to a wave) The moon is the person we are within our self. Our inner world. Who we are when we are alone. It represents the “I am” (who we feel we are inside of ourselves). I’m assuming since it correlates to emotions, that our emotional body also adds to the feeling of who we are. I keep coming back to the same question about the sun. And I’ve read the forum in regards to the sun but for some reason it doesn’t click. Self actualization to me is actualizing the self. As in solidifying who we are. I thought the sun was who we are but now I see that the moon is (truly the soul,, but I’m trying to stick to the more conscious part of us). Is the sun the part that solidifies who we feel we are (moon) and helps us project that image? Is there a thread that goes as deep into the sun as the threads given on the moon? I always get stuck on the sun. Also everything I read on the moon makes me think of mars. How the soul (Pluto) gets physically projected as mars (maybe I misunderstood??) My assumption is that Pluto (soul) gets fractured into a multitude of these lenses (each planet/house/sign) and moon/4/cancer is who we are inside, more specifically who we feel (emotions) we are inside and mars is more our instinctual nature. How we act who we are based on our instincts Couple more questions: - is there a part of the chart that represents the projection of who are into the physical world? Is that the persona or descendant? Or is it MC? • Is there a reason why the sun as a skipped step seems vastly diff than the other skipped steps? Why is a sun the potential to make a skipped step while the others are something relative to the past. • There’s something that happens within us when who are (moon) isn’t acceptable in society. Sometimes we fake the projection to fit in but sometimes we repress/suppress that person and become someone else. Sometimes this new person gets distorted as well. There seem to be layers to the ego (some would call these parts a shadow).. is there anything explaining this in EA? Thank you again for the moon explanations! It really took me on a rabbit hole but I think I’m getting it.. just a lot of questions come up in the process :)

When i hear about archetypes in EA I’m pointed towards the house sign planet aspect In examples I often read about the sign planet and house but I haven’t seen a thread where the aspect is synthesized into this archetype in a simple understandable way (for me!) Examples are great. Like if you are looking for the archetype of the soul you would look to Pluto Scorpio 8, but then how does the aspect add to the character of the archetype?

I would like to inquire about the EA view on house axes. I tried to Google the old website but they only had 6/12. I couldn’t find on this it’s. I google 3/9 but regular astro just didn’t sound right. I’m looking in particular for 3/9 but I would love to learn the EA view on all of them. Also is there an EA book recommendation on this topic?

JWG talks a lot about Tantra. Especially it being healing to some people. Is there any sources he lists for a good source of Tantra? Since he mentions a lot of it is not the right Tantra .