Ok, so I've read different things. Usually, with Mercury at 16º Libra...to determine the aspect to my Uranus at 18º Sag, I'd start at Mercury and count clockwise to arrive at the sextile. I've read you should start in the slowing moving planet (in this case Uranus) and count clockwise to the faster one (Mercury)....but I also read you should count counter-clockwise.
I mostly subscribe to EA...the only book I've actually read about it being the first Pluto book by JWG.
In the School of Evolutionary Astrology forum, (on this page https://forum.schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/index.php?topic=648.0) quoting something JWG wrote it's written :
"Phases are determined by measuring the distance in degrees from the slower moving planet counterclockwise to the faster moving planet. "
1 - I was just dming an astrologer on youtube who said we should start at the slower planet and go clockwise, which would make my Mercury/Uranus a LAST QUARTER sextile, which, up until now I always measured as a first quarter one. So what is the rule, really in EA?:)
2 -I also use asteroids A LOT. Am I to treat them as always faster than the major planets? Is there any resource where I can see which asteroids are faster than others? For example, if I'm determining the phase between Persephone and Hephaestos ...I wouldn't know how to do it. (and yes, I find asteroids extremely important and valuable)
3- The last question is...I have no idea where I've gotten that idea, but with the Mercury/Uranus aspect I learned to interpret the aspect as 'Mercury' being affected by Uranus.....so my communication and process of information bein uranian.....but in EA is Uranus considered to also being affected by Mercury? Up until now I always considered the "least powerful" (/faster) planet as the one being influenced by the larger (/slower) one.
4- As an example, I've attached my own chart, and would like to know what kind of sesquiquadrate my Saturn is doing to my NN. Do we consider the NN stationary to determine the phase?
Thank you so much for the input! :) All the best. <3
Phasal relationships in astrology refer to the relationship between the moon and the sun in a person's birth chart. There are eight phases or stages of the moon-sun relationship, which are determined by the angle between the sun and moon at the time of a person's birth.
To determine phasal relationships, you will need to calculate the degrees between the sun and moon in your birth chart. Here are the steps to follow:
Get a copy of your birth chart. You can obtain this from a professional astrologer or by using a reliable online birth chart calculator.
Locate the position of the sun and moon in your chart. The sun is represented by a circle with a dot in the center, while the moon is represented by a crescent shape.
Determine the degrees between the sun and moon. To do this, subtract the degree of the sun from the degree of the moon. If the result is a negative number, add 360 degrees to it.
I don't have an answer to this myself. @Rad will you please respond to this?
Yes to all, except your Mars Mercury is disseminating phase square.
Regarding the interpretation, it's not something we are doing in this forum with rare exception. One it's a boundary, and two also because we can't competently interpret parts of the chart outside of it's context with the whole. In case you haven't done so yet - please read the guidelines so you can get a clear understanding of how we are holding this space here.
Thanks Ari! Most enlightening. I basically spent the last two weeks doing "counterclockwise" as if it were clockwise in my head....if you can believe it ! I sometimes mess these things in my head ^_^' I get it now. I wonder if this very error would be a possible manifestation of Mercury/Uranus---short term memory trauma or something haha :D 1 - So, I got the general rule, and the nodes....but in the case of my Sun/ASC balsamic conjunction (which I know is balsamic due to seeing JWG mentioning it somewhere)...if the Sun is always static and we start counting counterclockwise...then I'm assuming the ASC and MC is where we REALLY start counting the phase, even in relation with the Sun, right? Because if I were to start at the sun it would mean it was a new phase conjunction. So the Sun square to the MC is also a first quarter square, correct? 2 - So just to see if I got the rule : - My Mars quincux Moon is a gibbous (~150º) phase one. - But my Jupiter quincux Mercury is a FULL inconjunct. - My Pluto sesquiquadrate Moon is a full phase one (just like the Saturn/NN) - My Eris opposition Mercury is a full opposition since I start counting in Eris (slower planet) at 16'14º Aries and end at 16'51 Libra. - And against what I've always believed.... my Mars square Mercury is actually NOT a first quarter square......but a last quarter phase one. - My Sun square Neptune is a first quarter square because I start counting counterclockqise at the Sun. I'm just starting with this phasal thingy, but I feel it's where I'm finally going to get the information I've been yearning for after 3+ years dabbling in astrology....which is feedback from my soul on where I am and headed to. 3 - Now the issue is.....save for the information in 'Pluto I' what is my best bet in trying to INTERPRET what these aspects mean , accurately, after I've determined the phasal relationship?? For example, based on my limited astrological understanding, with my Saturn full sesquiquadrate NN ...I'll be 'forced' in this life to do Saturn in a way that truly makes me fit in with the consensus (which probably speaks to this "world on my shoulders" feeling I've had since I was born and rejection of my instinctual expression due to not fitting in)....................the paragraph on the balsamic conjunction doesn't give me that clear of a clue what my Sun/ASC conjunction might mean (using it as an example). The conjunction is ending the whole cycle......and starting something new ...........so relative to how I "creatively actualize my purpose" (Sun)......this would correlate to all the frustration I've felt around finding my purpose in this life because I'm meant to "spiritualize" (balsamic) this relationship by withdrawing within? Thanks a lot for the help! :) It is greatly appreciated. I'm not ready to dedicate my life to astrology, but I think I have some facility with it...but I'm really just going on what I can find online and doing it totally on my own. Feels like I'm reinventing the wheel sometimes....but recently I'm starting to get some real ahas. I've had the most confusing life ever....so clarity is a biggy for me....and seeing my struggle reflected clearly is what brings me the most peace.......as most other avenues of communication with 'spirit' seem to fail me kinda. Thanks again! All the very best <3
Hi Jean! Welcome to this forum. Since I was that astrologer, I'll answer you here ...
I didn't say to go clockwise, but rather in the NATURAL direction of the zodiac, which is actually counter clockwise.
So, to clarify this. Start with Uranus and you will move all the way around the zodiac till you get to Mercury. The phase and aspect is a last quarter phase sextile.
The way to think of it is that we are actually tracking the movement of any two points IN TIME. So whether it's an asteroid or a planet, we are looking at how far any two points have separated since the LAST conjunction in time. So the same rule would apply no matter which two points we are looking at. The faster will always be separating from the slower since they were last conjunct one another.
I don't personally know of any resources that track speed of all the asteroids, but I'm sure you can always search online.
The EA perspective considers what the planetary phase REFLECTS relative to the reality of the soul itself. Each phase reflects a particular intention that is being played out that itself reflects the specific soul/karmic reality of the soul that lead to the manifestation of that particular planetary phase in this life.
So instead of thinking of it as one planet affecting another, it's more a matter of a particular intention being played out by way of these two planets and what they each represent relative to the soul's reality. Uranus = transformation, freedom from the known, the individuality of the soul itself. Mercury = how we logically organize reality in our minds, short term memory, what we can name and classify. There are many ways we can work out understanding these two together, but in the end it's not about "affects" but rather a statement of what is being worked out in this life.
The phase between your Saturn and NN is a full phase sesquiquadrate. A 2 degree orb just before the beginning of the disseminating phase.
To determine the phasal relationship between a node and a planet, put your finger on the planet in question and move backwards through the zodaic (clocwise) until you reach the node you are calculating the phase with. That's just one way. You can also start with the node and move forwards (counter clockwise) until you reach the planet in question.
To understand this, just remember that the nodes move backwards. So we are again just tracking the degree of separation that has taken place in time with that node and the planet since they were last together. If you have an ephemeris or an astrology software that can animate charts, it's a helpful pedagogy to look backwards and forward to see this actually happening in time.
Some of this might be a new way of thinking of planetary relationship. So feel free to take your time with this. In the archives there is a lot of repetition of the teachings on phases and aspects too. And feel free to ask more if you have any questions on any of this.