Blank phase chart and overall chart protocol

Well I guess everyone is busy or there is nothing available in hardcopy that is freely available, or I am asking the wrong questions. Not to worry, my books have finally arrived so I will glean what I need, hopefully, from the horse's mouth so to speak.

Funny the references in some of the texts regarding the Cabal underlings or 'poor actors' (such as the Obamha's and Greta). Like they were actually doing the right thing for humanity, or just following their cosmic evolutionary path? But I guess all this stuff came from somewhere as it is stated in many texts that we were taught astrology by our visitors or Annunaki, so they had to have a reason for directing us in a particular direction. Wonder if we fulfilled their desires? Isn't like interesting? Cheers

Hi,

I’ve been doing the course myself for over a couple of years but from what I’ve studied and read I have tried starting his examples from scratch.. helps me understand w a visual.

The Pluto paradigm protocol is key and it makes everything so much easier to grasp but I’m still trying to get in a better flow.

I would recommend using the words/archetypes of EA because I find if I mix other types of astrology I get confused. EA is solid and the only time it’s wrong is if I’ve messed something up 😂. I’m sure they overlap a lot but I found that the others are not as accurate nor as specific.

I know on the forum they always recommend you follow the EA protocol and I totally agree! But you can test it out yourself :)

Oh for books, I’ve ordered a few of Devas recommended books and the ones by JWG.. they are all amazing! Obv the Pluto book but I really like the glossary and Uranus

I could have sworn I saw a list of EA word associations per sign but I can’t find anything so I must be mistaken. I’ve just been writing my own while taking the course.

Hope that helps !

Thanks dominikas_103. At least you responded which is great given there were 47 views. If I can push you a little further, and if I get this correctly, the process is rather long winded and without the specific words/phrases et al associated with the archetypes of EA then one can very easily get side tracked or mislead regarding a 'correct' reading/analysis. For example even in the Pluto book, JWG constantly refers to the north and south nodes with regard pluto natal placement, but nowhere does he say specifically these are lunar nodes and not planet nodes. I have had to assume they are lunar nodes as the moon features early in the protocol. Hence why I asked specifically for a hard copy of the protocol. Added to this then is the specifics of the archetypes and the identifiers used to determine the assessment/analysis. I have tried to isolate the key words/phrases but because they are scattered, as you say in the EA Glossary and other books, that is not such an easy job. Even in the EAGlossary there are several parties involved in explaining the archetypes and each person seems to add a slightly different dimension to each. So far all I have ended up with is confusion so have had to rely on intuition to guide me but I think I have too many gaps in my knowledge to answer my own questions. For example I can look at a chart and get a general feel for the person but when I try and put the available key words et al into place it doesn't match what I am feeling. So perhaps my intuition is failing me, or there are other factors involved in the process I am not aware of. And of course the protocol is just as scattered. It is not delineated in a step by step process as it is covered over various videos, and then one attaches the planetary analysis, the house analysis, the ideal archetype (an unknown as yet) and at the end of the day I have not advanced. What am I doing wrong? Cheers

Philip

I can only tell you what I have been doing and maybe that can help? I keep moving one step forward and two steps back and I’ve just accepted that it’s going to be a very long yet fruitful journey. I have had to go back to each archetype using the transcript of the dvds (I printed it) and the Pluto book. If I get stuck, I research the forum, buy a book on that archetype.. I do some chart interpretations almost daily to practice or find the archetypes I’m studying. I like to explain the archetype to some people I know so that I understand it better. Then I keep rereading over and over whatever material I feel stuck on and I just follow my own void and trust that it’ll come together when it has to. Some of the EA astrologers on the forum have their own classes and they also do some tutoring which could be helpful.

I would say unless it’s specified that it’s a planetary node (which is more advanced and I won’t get to those in a while, but it’s good to have an idea) then it’s probably a lunar node (which is a fundamental in EA).

Some of the words can be used to describe two different signs sometimes but it starts to make sense once you start getting the energies down. I wish I could think of an example but I’ve had it happen a few times. Most of the time I’ve just misunderstood something. Like I thought objective thinking was Gemini but it’s actually Aquarius. The mixup comes from the air trinity. So knowing the trinities, m/f energies, modalities is super important and I think this is the only place I use esoteric astro to help me find how the archetypes were formed. Oh and I really love researching the natural zodiac because it makes all the archetypes make sense. Like there’s a natural square between 7 and 10 which explains a lot of libra and Capricorns energies.

I don’t know if this is helpful, I’m still figuring it out myself but hopefully you get something out of it! It’s overwhelming in the beginning but once you zoom in a bit it gets super exciting, and eventually you’ll look back and realize you’ve actually come quite far. :)

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Also I read a few times that JWG said he spent a lot of his time “unlearning” regular astrology to understand EA. It seems normal for astrologers to get a bit confused in the beginning in order to relearn. I got super confused if I tried to use regular astro to understand EA. But the fundamentals are needed since it’s an advanced course. Ari has a fundamentals course too. I’m not sure how advanced you are in astrology, I started with almost nothing haha

Thanks heaps Dominikas_103. Your description and personal experience has provided some much needed clarity. I thought it was just me, as I saw that EA is a much more advanced methodology that requires that relearning. Finding the time is the current issue for me so will just proceed as best I can. Thank you again for your time and thoughts. Cheers Philip

You’re welcome! I’m happy it helped a little :)

Oops I just reread what I said before and I meant JWG Soent a lot of time teaching astrologers to unlearn regular astrology in order to understand EA **

ha ha yes I interpreted it that way but thanks for double checking. Cheers Philip

Hi Philip, I have attached a chart of the EA phases and aspects that Linda Jonson created. It used to be available to download on the old message board, but the links seems to be broken now.

Regarding step by step process to interpret charts, the whole EA paradigm is centred around the Pluto placement and the nodal axis and their nodal rulers. This is the bottom-line to start from when interpreting a natal chart, and is what all the other planetary placements and aspects are referred back to.

You can also read the transcript for Planetary Method of Chart interpretation (https://forum.schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/index.php?topic=832.0) and I think there is also a transcript for the House Method of Chart Interpretation through the course.

Additional to this, there are many practice threads on the old message board that you can read through, such as this one: https://forum.schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/index.php/topic,944.0.html

Regarding archetype keywords/phrases, I know there is an exhaustive list that can be found in Patricia Walsh’s “Understanding Karmic Complexes” book. You can also go through the various sign archetype discussion threads on the old message boards, which usually have the keywords referenced from Patricia’s book listed. Like here: https://forum.schoolofevolutionaryastrology.com/index.php/topic,420.15.html (go to reply #27)

In my own experience, the archetypes as described in EA are not that different from how those same zodiacal or planetary archetypes are illustrated in other Western forms of astrology. EA’s elaboration tends to be more psychological and even “psychoid” in nature, and therefore more “encompassing” of how they are illustrated in other forms. Hence the focus on Pluto, the “bottom-line”. The “drive” behind the “manifestation”.

The thing that helped me when learning and integrating JWG’s EA paradigm, was perceiving everything as a sort of system, where one thing naturally leads to or informs the next thing, as a process with interrelating parts. If you begin to understand the signs/houses as a process of development that begins from the 1st house through to the 12th house, over time you will naturally begin to perceive whatever phenomena as belonging to a particular aspect of that process. So anything to do with emergence, separation, independence, initiation, new development, etc. correlates with the Mars/Aries/1st house archetype. I think of it as where consciousness separates and becomes individualised from the overarching, collective consciousness, and Source as JWG describes, which is Neptune/Pisces/12th - hence where the the Ascendant/1st/Aries emerges from.

Ah thanks heaps for those links my littleaprilshower, so great for you to take the time and post. I have downloaded the table already and will follow up on the book you suggested as well. I think the thing that initially threw me was in traditional astrology the ruler of Scorpio is Mars but once one gets the idea of Mars being a lower octave to Pluto one can adapt the archetype. I have understood for many years the transitioning nature of life so understand what you are saying about the system of interrelating parts of a whole. Having the EA phases as an overlay is what I was looking for and you have gratefully provided that. Great that Linda Jonson took the time to put it down as a chart too. I figured after all this time someone had to have done the leg work already but it doesn't seem well identified, logged or tabled.

I don't suppose you know of a charting program that provides the ephemeris for the planets north and south nodes, and then puts them on a chart? I am currently using PlanetDance which provides the table for the ephemeris, calculable by day, month and year, but doesn't have the capacity to place them on a chart. Having that chart and overlayed with the one from Linda Jonson would certainly make things easier to calculate aspects. I have heard SolarFire has that but haven't looked into it yet. And I think it has just been sold, but not sure who the new owner is.

Thank you again for your assistance.

Cheers

Philip

Hi Philip,

The way I’ve come to understand the Scorpio/8th house archetype is relation to Mars as the traditional ruler, is that it represents the “hidden” or unseen ramifications/consequences of desire. The changes that occur when our desire is realised, that our ego does not necessarily take into account. This is the other “battlefield” that Mars contends with, where our personal power truly is experienced for what it is, against those forces that are truly out of our personal control. And these forces are not even necessarily always external entities, but the bigger self behind that little self that is really running the show - I like to refer to as the “puppeteer”.

When our desire is realised and “united” with, it also means that desire comes to an end, in the way that we have known or oriented to it. So a kind of death and sense of loss comes with our apparent “achievement” - these are the hidden results that the little self, the ego, does not take into account. You can see how traditional correlations of the 8th signifying death and loss, as well as being considered “hidden” from the vantage point of the ascendant/1st house are then relevant here.

Linda Jonson made many amazing contributions during her time actively involved in the EA community. She truly was/still is a blessing to the dissemination of the JWG’s work. That aspect/phases chart is such a valuable tool, and I refer to it every time I look at a chart.

The only way I generate charts is through the Astrodienst website (and sometimes Astro-seek, as they have a lot of other valuable chart options if you are looking for something more specific, for example all the conjunctions that will occur between your natal Pluto and transiting Saturn since your birth). But I also use a couple of other tools that help me with some specifics.

With this website you can generate the positions of planetary nodes according to whatever intervals you’d like, whether for minutes, hours, days, months or years. Very helpful too to look at planetary and nodal positions over a long period (and specified) of time, rather than going through a PDF ephemeris like those found on the Astrodienst website (which I still use if I’m trying to pinpoint a particular birth date for example).

http://www.true-node.com/eph1/

This website I only discovered earlier this year and it actually calculates the phases (and aspects) for you by inputting their degrees and sign. And at the bottom under options it actually gives you an EA formula option, which uses EA’s traditional orbs and takes into account that the Sun is always considered the stationary point as a current life symbol:

https://planetaryphasecalculator.com/

So whilst these calculators are still quite manual, I still find them invaluable tools, and have saved me from forking out the money on advanced astrology software. Hopefully you find some use for them!

More great information, thank you again. I use Astro-seek quite a bit but will also have a look at Astrodienst later too. Haven't fully utilised all of the features on the former as still playing with it all.

I see what you mean about Mars. I seem to remember JWG saying something along those lines in the Pluto book. Is that your reference or did you come to that understanding on your own? I am getting to the point now where I am not even sure what are my own thoughts :-). I am sure it will all wash out eventually.

That Planetary Phase Calculator is brilliant!

Cheers

Philip